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vut 25-08-2006 11:04

People, tell me, is sleeping gas the same as for anesthesia or is it more powerful?

Scout 25-08-2006 11:06

B52 try in the shower

vut 25-08-2006 11:31

Didn't understand?!

vut 25-08-2006 11:32

or is B52 the same thing?

PALACH 25-08-2006 16:41

not at all the same as for anesthesia ... "gas for anesthesia" this term in common people usually refers to a mixture of nitrous oxide (NITRO) with oxygen and carbon dioxide where nitrous oxide at high concentrations is an anesthetic and in small concentrations it is stimulating (laughing gas) oxygen for breathing " patient" and carbon dioxide to disrupt the respiratory system, i.e. the functioning of automatic breathing. Simply, a mixture of oxygen and carbon dioxide is called carbogen and is used for sponge anesthesia. And the combatant, as you said, “SLEEPING GAS” is a neuro-political poisoning substance that puts a person into a state of either liturgical sleep or a slight loss of consciousness, therefore all these substances are not universal and in a large percentage of cases lead to death. If you just need a sleeping gas, then they can use diethyl ether or chloroform mixed with carbon dioxide, which “knocks out” a person for a couple of minutes.

vut 26-08-2006 14:10

PALACH I sent you a private message, can you respond?

PALACH 26-08-2006 16:35

How do I know? hmm.... strange question... in this world there seems to be nothing secret left except as a trade secret, the literature is completely accessible and will find such things somewhere from the period 1900 to 1960. but the compositions of nerve agents are still secret because this is a relatively new class of poisonous substances. For example, diethyl ether is simply almost completely dehydrated ethyl alcohol, and this ether has the older name of sulfuric ether from the method of its first preparation using sulfuric acid. And carbon dioxide, I repeat, causes involuntary contractions of the respiratory system and forces a person to take deep involuntary breaths of this mixture, which causes a short-term loss of consciousness for about 2-3 minutes, full muscle control returns after 30 minutes. and this type of spray weapon, if it had been created, would have been much more humane than first-generation electroshock weapons based on the stun gun effect, that is, on the pain effect (now foreign-made electric shocks are based on a different principle of installation.) For example, the advantages of sleeping pill weapons as a civil weapon are undeniable First of all, it is cheap due to the simple design of the sprayer and the components of the mixture, and unlike pepper sprays there is no irritating effect, since if you spray a normal criminal and not a punk in the eyes, he may not go blind and may cause your lethal effect. BUT there are also disadvantages, this is, first of all, the danger of criminal use since it is very effective. A gas mask can serve as protection against this type of weapon.

lexey 28-08-2006 17:26

For example, diethyl ether is simply almost completely dehydrated ethyl alcohol, and this ether has the older name of sulfuric ether after the method of its first preparation with sulfuric acid.

Well, actually, diethyl ether is an ether obtained by subtracting a water molecule from two alcohol molecules. Sulfuric acid serves to bind water.

SUNtechnik 29-08-2006 09:24

"Sleeping gas" is when you fart in your sleep.

Sorry, couldn't resist

extractor 30-08-2006 08:39

Donkey 01-09-2006 21:04

What is B52?

extractor 01-09-2006 23:05

probably a bomber?!

lexey 02-09-2006 12:09

quote: Originally posted by Donkey:
"but the compositions of nerve agents are still secret because this is a relatively new class of poisonous substances"
Not entirely new: first appeared in 1937, and not entirely secret: in the book by V.N. Aleksandrov, V.I. Emelyanov “Toxic Substances” M.1990 worth 90 kopecks. A detailed description of the properties and methods of obtaining nerve agents is provided.
What is B52?

Yes, and the effect from them is not entirely sleepy...

Donkey 03-09-2006 01:55

"Try B52 in the shower"
"probably a bomber?!"
Wingspan, m-----56.39
So, what size should a shower room be?

lexey 03-09-2006 11:22

*So, what size should the shower be?*
Probably general... and if you also start the engines...

vut 03-09-2006 16:42

Then what is the composition of gas for anesthesia in medicine?

vut 03-09-2006 16:42

oh, I forgot, it was already written!

PALACH 04-09-2006 20:23

Donkey, the compositions of nerve agents are still secret because this is a relatively new class of poisonous substances"
Not entirely new: first appeared in 1937, and not entirely secret: in the book by V.N. Aleksandrov, V.I. Emelyanov “Toxic Substances” M.1990 worth 90 kopecks. A detailed description of the properties and methods of obtaining nerve agents is provided.

yes yes yes, you will almost never do anything with these books, this is for general information, because even everyone knows what, say, an atomic warhead is (if you don’t know, then I can tell you) but try to make it!!!

Donkey 04-09-2006 21:43

quote: Originally posted by PALACH:

yes yes yes, you will almost never do anything with these books, this is for general information, because even everyone knows what, say, an atomic warhead is (if you don’t know, then I can tell you) but try to make it!!!

I haven’t tried getting sarin in the kitchen myself, but I don’t think it’s particularly difficult. After all, the reaction of the formation of organophosphorus agents from non-toxic substances in the projectile during its flight occurs with a fairly high yield (70-80%) in binary ammunition.
It is quite possible to make an atomic bomb at home (or rather, not the bomb itself, but all the necessary devices for it):

"There is a declassified American intelligence report about a unique experiment conducted about forty years ago. The experiment proved that back in the early 60s, nuclear weapons could be created by any somewhat qualified physicists using data published exclusively in the open press. A nuclear bomb in just three years, three young graduates of American universities were able to produce it - David Dobson, David Piepkorn and Robert Selden, who had never previously dealt with the problems of creating nuclear weapons." http://exeline.info/lofiversion/index.php/t274.html

It is simply impossible to obtain a radioactive isotope of uranium-235 with an enrichment of 90%, or a radioactive isotope of plutonium-239 with an enrichment of 94% at home (you need a plant with an enrichment line several kilometers long or a nuclear reactor), and it is not easy to buy or steal fissile materials (for now Even millionaire Bin Laden failed)

lexey 05-09-2006 11:32

The point is not even whether you can get it or not, but the fact that nerve agents do not have a hypnotic effect.

PALACH 06-09-2006 20:15

lexey
I am aware that nerve agents do not have a drowsy effect, but rather depress the central nervous system or block it. but I’ll find making a nuclear bomb in the kitchen, and I’m also talking about the fact that anything can be done, but it’s not possible to get the ingredients without a couple of evergreen lemons....

acid; By esterifying it, we obtain diethyl ester of malonic acid (malonic ester). When it reacts with metallic sodium, sodium malonic ester is formed; By treating it with ethyl bromide, diethyl ester of ethylmalonic acid is obtained. Finally, by saponifying the latter and decarboxylating the resulting ethyl malonic acid, ethyl acetic or butyric acid is obtained.

Preparation of malonic acid diethyl ester (malonic ester). The starting material for the preparation of malonic ester is monochloroacetic acid, which is converted into a potassium salt and treated with potassium cyanide.

2C1-CH2-COOH + K2CO, 2C1 -CH3-COOK + CO, + H20 C1-CH3-COOK + KCN KS1 + CN-CH2-COOK

This produces the potassium salt of cyanoacetic acid. By heating the latter with absolute alcohol and sulfuric acid, malonic acid is obtained; under the conditions under which the reaction is carried out, both carboxyl groups are esterified, resulting in the immediate production of malonic acid diethyl ester

CN- CH3-C- OK + 2C2H5-OH + H3S04 O* C2H6-O-C-CH2-C-O-C2H5 + NH4KS04

When working with potassium cyanide, care should be taken, remembering its extreme toxicity and the ability to release hydrocyanic acid under the influence of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

Reagents

Monochloroacetic acid 23.7 g (0.25 mol)

Potassium carbonate 19 e (0.14 mol)

Potassium cyanide 18 g (0.28 mol)

Absolute alcohol 50 ml (0.85 mol)

Sulfuric acid; ether; sodium carbonate; calcium chloride

Monochloroacetic acid is dissolved in 50 liters of water in a porcelain cup and neutralized with potassium carbonate (or sodium carbonate) with low heating (to about 50°). To the resulting solution of potassium chloroacetic acid (under draft), with thorough stirring, very slowly add well-ground potassium cyanide and gradually increase the heating. The reaction is accompanied by strong foaming of the mass. At the end of the reaction, the mixture is evaporated, heating as quickly as possible with stirring in a sand bath until the viscous brownish mass heats up to 135°.

The resulting product is quickly ground into powder in a mortar, transferred to a 250 ml flask equipped with a reflux condenser, and doused with 10 ml of absolute alcohol. Then, through the inner tube of the refrigerator, a cooled mixture of 50 l of absolute alcohol and 40 ml of concentrated sulfuric acid is gradually poured in with stirring; Continuing frequent stirring, heat the mushy mass in a water bath for 2 hours.

After heating is completed, the flask is quickly cooled, 50 ml of water is added, the undissolved salt (potassium sulfate) is filtered off on a Buchner funnel, the precipitate on the filter is washed with ether, and the filtrate is extracted with the same ether in a separating funnel. The ether layer is separated and the solution is extracted again with a fresh portion of ether. The combined ethereal extracts are washed first with a small amount of water and then with a solution of sodium carbonate until the acidic reaction disappears. When rinsing with sodium carbonate, you should not initially close the funnel with a stopper, as there will be a copious release of carbon dioxide.

The washed ethereal solution is dried with calcium chloride (or anhydrous sodium sulfate), the ether is distilled off in a water bath, and the residue is distilled on a grid using an air cooler.

Yield about 22 g.

Pace. kip. malonic ether 195°; beat weight dl° 1.0553; refractive index according to "6 1.4159.

Preparation of ethyl malonic acid diethyl ester (ethyl malonic ester). When malonic ester reacts with sodium alcolate, sodium malonic ester is formed, which with ethyl bromide gives ethylmalonic ether:

C2H5-O-C- CH2-C-O-QH5 + QH5-ONa

O O> C2H5-o-c-CH-C-O-C2H5 + c2H5-one II ! II

С2Н5-О-С-СН-С-О-С2Н5 + С3Н5Вг

C3Hb-O-C-CH C-O-C2H5 + NaBr

Reagents

Malonic ether 16 g (0.1 mol)

Sodium metal 2.3 g (0.1 grams)

Ethyl bromide 15 g (0.14 mol)

Absolute alcohol 30 ml (0.5 mol)

Ether; sodium sulfate

In a round one-bottom flask with a capacity of 150 l, connected to a reflux condenser and a dropping funnel (Fig. 42), sodium is dissolved in alcohol. After cooling, malonic ether is gradually added through a dropping funnel while stirring, and then ethyl bromide is added drop by drop. The mixture is heated in a water bath for 1-2 hours. until the alkaline reaction disappears (a sample of the mixture is applied with a glass rod to damp turmeric paper).

The alcohol is distilled off under a slight vacuum (at a temperature of 40-50°).

The residue after distilling off the alcohol is dissolved in a small amount of water and the reaction product is extracted by shaking three times with ether, using 20 ml of ether each time. The combined ether extracts are dried with anhydrous sodium sulfate, the ether is distilled off, and ethyl maloate is distilled from a small distillation flask with an air cooler.

Yield about 15 g.

Pace. kip. 206-208°; beat afQ weight 1.004.

Saponification of ethylmalonic ether and